Thursday, February 18, 2010

CCSVI Procedure for Multiple Sclerosis Vs Inclined Therapy

What I think is based upon 16 years of research into Inclined Therapy and it's positive effects on people with multiple sclerosis with hundreds of people showing remarkable recoveries. Given sufficient time most of the symptoms you have mentioned as improvements can be achieved without any surgery! To add credence to this statement I urge you and others reading this to read through the Inclined Bed Therapy threads and try to find anyone who is not experiencing benefits from I.T. And should you find them, wait 4 weeks and read their later reports.

As to whether surgery has helped to accelerate these improvements we can only rely on the posts from people who have had the same surgery and not been using Inclined Therapy. These can be found in the CCSVI Tracking project. Study these reports and see if the same improvements have been achieved using angioplasty or stent procedures alone. Then weigh up the differences between those who are and those who are not using I.T combined with surgery. This is why I asked for an inclusion in the CCSVI Tracking thread to indicate whether or not I.T. is being used by the posters.

Given the results of the posture poll so far, it is difficult to understand how Neurological damage which is undoubtedly influenced, if not caused by posture can be restored when the posture that initiated it is not addressed. CCSVI and Surgery alone does not explain these non-surgery improvements seen in people on this forum who have tilted their beds and not received any surgical intervention.

Swollen twisted veins in the legs or varicose veins as we call them can be returned to normal looking veins by controlling posture alone. Surgery at best provides a temporary fix with varicose veins, because the surgery does not address what causes them to become varicose veins. More superficial veins will become varicose veins to take the diverted blood flow and it’s inherent high pressure. The swollen veins inside the neck and close to the spine are not disconnected from the same venous that supplies the legs, so there should be no doubt that these abnormal veins in the neck and next to the spine are undergoing the same reconditioning that the chronic venous insufficiency undergoes in the legs using I.T.

Zamboni has argued in an email to me that these veins cannot be restored using posture alone. If this is the case, then CCSVI cannot be the cause of ms! If this isn’t the case and these veins are becoming unrestricted due to avoiding a flat bed, and sleeping on an inclined bed, just like varicose veins have been shown to respond, then and only then can Zamboni’s theory be shown to play a roll in the onset of ms!

Another possibility is that everyone on this forum who is reporting positive results using Inclined Therapy 1. Is either involved in some major conspiracy to prove a layperson is correct about circulation and gravity 2. Placebo effect can be shown to stretch over 11 years of complete ms symptom relief with Terri Harrison. Zamboni argued that placebo couldn’t be entertained as an explanation for 4 months of symptom relief in a video relating to ccsvi procedure. Or 3. Inclined Therapy is bringing about these obvious improvements without surgery and if this is the case, then posture is identified as a definite causal effect and the big finger points at the way we all sleep and sit! CCSVI could indeed be the reason that some people sleeping flat develop multiple sclerosis and many people never develop neurological symptoms using a flat bed.

It would be simple to prove what is happening with regards to CCSVI by people asking for a repeat Doppler scan while laying at an angle, laying flat, sitting up and standing up. These are the parameters that should be tested immediately to determine what if anything is changing in the venous return.

We will have to be vigilant and wait to see if anyone who is about to have these tests will ask for a scan on an inclined platform or bed.


info said...

Are you saying that after doing this for a few weeks the person can show dramatic improvements with their ms - better walking etc?

Andrew K Fletcher said...

Yes, that is exactly what is being stated here.

But don't take my word for it. Read the reports from people with ms whp are trialing it.

Dabble and the Mad Sow said...

yes, yes, yes. Thank you for raising this issue. One wonders about the testing of CCSVI in different positions. Was it done? I'd like to try the inclined bed thing myself...

phil said...

The improvements will work fine if taken after a long gap. Some of the varicose vein information is taken into consideration while doing so.

RACER said...

If a venous problem is somehow at the root of MS; then it would definitely be postural for me. Whether the bed can help I dont know yet; but I've spent the last 30 years in front of computer screens...

Andrew K Fletcher said...

Thank you for your comments.

Hope you will join the revolution against the flat bed soon.


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It is estimated that the failure rate of the “liberation therapy” may be 50% or higher, even through the most experienced surgeons in Poland & Albany. As more people receive the therapy there is growing concern amongst patients that the procedure needs to include a post-procedure protocol that is more effective than simply releasing the patient from the hospital within a day.

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Melissa Lessie said...

After 18 months of treating MS patients, CCSVI Clinic is well along with its program. “Success means different things to different people, but I’d say we’ve had much more than we could have hoped for when we first started.” says Dr. Avneesh Gupte, Neurosurgeon with CCSVI Clinic. “For the past year we’ve been adding autologous mesenchymal stem cell transplantation to the liberation therapy procedure and that’s when we really started to notice a significant change in patient outcomes”. Autologous Mesenchymal stem cell transplantation (AMSCT) means that the stem cells are taken from the patient’s own body and are cultured prior to transplantation at various times over an extended period. With the patient as the donor, there is no risk of transplantation leading to cancer as opposed to the risks of transplanting embryonic stem cells. AMSCT is now regularly used in North America for the treatment of Hodgkin’s lymphoma and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma as well as other diseases with remarkable results including cure for many patients. “If it works for some diseases, is safe and well-tolerated by the patient, then why not other diseases? We believe that Multiple Sclerosis can now be added to that list.” says Gupte.
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Andrew K Fletcher said...

Periods of low atmospheric pressure are associated with high abdominal aortic aneurysm rupture rates in Northern Ireland.

D. W. Harkin, M. O'Donnell, J. Butler, P. H. Blair, J. M. Hood, and A. A. B. Barros D'Sa

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Seasonal and circadian variation in the incidence of ruptured abdominal aortic aneurysm (RAAA) has been reported. We explored the role of atmospheric pressure changes on rupture incidence and its relationship to cardiovascular risk factors. During a three year-period, 1st April 1998 and 31st March 2001, data was prospectively acquired on 144 Ruptured Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm (RAAA) presenting to the Regional Vascular Surgery Unit at the Royal Victoria Hospital, Belfast, Northern Ireland. For each patient the chronology of acute onset of symptoms and presentation to the regional vascular unit was recorded, along with details of standard cardiovascular risk factors. During the same period meteorological data including atmospheric pressure and air temperature were recorded daily at the regional meteorological research unit, Armagh. We then analysed the monthly mean values for daily rupture incidence in relation to the monthly values for atmospheric pressure, pressure change and temperature. Furthermore atmospheric pressure on the day of rupture, and day preceding rupture, were also analysed in relation to days without rupture presentation and between individual ruptures for various cardiovascular risk factors. Data demonstrated a significant monthly variation in aneurysm rupture frequency, (p<0.03, ANOVA). There was also a significant monthly variation in mean barometric atmospheric pressure, (p<0.0001, ANOVA), months with high rupture frequency also exhibiting low average pressures in the months of April (0.24 +/- 0.04 ruptures per day and 1007.78 +/- 1.23 mB) and September (0.16 +/- 0.04 ruptures per day and 1007.12 +/- 1.14 mB), respectively. The average barometric pressures were found to be significantly lower on those days when ruptures occurred (n=1127) compared to days when ruptures did not occur (n=969 days), (1009.98 +/- 1.11 versus 1012.09 +/- 0.41, p<0.05). Full data on risk factors was available on 103 of the 144 rupture patients and was further analysed. Interestingly, RAAA with a known history of hypertension, (n=43), presented on days with significantly lower atmospheric pressure than those without, (n=60), (1008.61 +/- 2.16 versus 1012.14 +/- 1.70, p<0.05). Further analysis of ruptures grouped into those occurring on days above or below mean annual atmospheric pressure 1013.25 (approximately 1 atmosphere), by Chi-square test, revealed three cardiovascular risk factors significantly associated with low-pressure rupture, (p<0.05). Data represents mean +/- SEM, statistical comparisons with Student t-test and ANOVA. These data demonstrate a significant association between periods of low barometric pressure and high incidence of ruptured aneurysm, especially in those patients with known hypertension. The association between rupture incidence and barometric pressure warrants further study as it may influence the timing of elective AAA repair



Andrew K Fletcher said...

Post subject: Re: barometric pressure may be doing a lot more than we thought
Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:00 pm

Any ideas on why periods of low pressure, rather than high pressure, are significantly associated with high incidence of arterial aneurysm rupture? I wonder if the same would hold true for venous aneurysms?

Post subject: Re: barometric pressure may be doing a lot more than we thought for people with ms.
Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:43 pm

Low barometric pressure increases my feelings of light-headedness and muscle fatigue three-fold. I've learned it's useless to even try and workout during those days/times. Glad (and sorry) to see there's a scientific study showing I'm not an anomaly.

Re: barometric pressure may be doing a lot more than we thought for people with ms

Location: south western pa.
poet, I don't know about the venous but I'd say pressure and the effect it has on most things I don't see how it wouldn't effect the veins in some way. I know that besides feeling like an all around heaviness and miserable every symptom magnified my legs get hit the worst.

maybe a way of telling if the veins are affected would to pay attention to varicose veins in the legs. to maybe see if they're more prominent or thumping or whatever varicose veins do. I don't have varicose veins not even spider veins to keep an eye on.

maybe if someone reading this has them they might pay special attention to that and let us know. or perhaps Andrew fletcher's thoughts. the inclined bed therapy effect on them and the before and after pictures are impressive. Andrew if you read this what's your thoughts or input?
Post subject: Re: barometric pressure may be doing a lot more
Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:54 am

Location: south western pa.
I have always advocated my thoughts that we need doctors from many walks of medicine right?---------------now we gotta get the weathermen in on this too maybe!! a little humour.-----------but, I've been told there is usually a little truth in humour.

Andrew K Fletcher said...

Post subject: Re: barometric pressure may be doing a lot more than we thou
Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:15 am

Location: Paignton, Devon, UK
blossom wrote:
poet, don't know about the venous but I'd say pressure and the effect it has on most things I don't see how it wouldn't effect the veins in some way. I know that besides feeling like an all around heaviness and miserable every symptom magnified my legs get hit the worst.

maybe a way of telling if the veins are affected would to pay attention to varicose veins in the legs. to maybe see if they're more prominent or thumping or whatever varicose veins do. I don't have varicose veins not even spider veins to keep an eye on.

maybe if someone reading this has them they might pay special attention to that and let us know. or perhaps Andrew fletcher's thoughts. the inclined bed therapy effect on them and the before and after pictures are impressive. Andrew if you read this what's your thoughts or input?

One of the therapies used for haemorrhoids / piles which are varicose veins, is to fill the bath up with water and sit in it for a while. The logic here is that sitting immersed in deep water increases the pressure to force the swollen veins back, the same applies for varicose veins in other regions of the body, though this is a temporary fix. The last report on the IBT Forum is interesting as it relates to a person with ms swimming and complaining about increased head pressure as a result.
Low and High Pressure
Air pressure is not uniform across the Earth however. The normal range of the Earth's air pressure is from 980 millibars (mb) to 1050 mb. These differences are the result of low and high air pressure systems which are caused by unequal heating across the Earth's surface and the pressure gradient force.

A low pressure system, or "low," is an area where the atmospheric pressure is lower than that of the area surrounding it. Lows are usually associated with high winds, warm air, and atmospheric lifting. Because of this, lows normally produce clouds, precipitation, and other bad weather such as tropical storms and cyclones.

In addition, areas prone to low pressure do not have extreme diurnal (day vs. night) nor extreme seasonal temperatures because the clouds present over such areas reflect incoming solar radiation back into the atmosphere so they cannot warm as much during the day (or in the summer) and at night they act as a blanket, trapping heat below.

Conversely, a high pressure system, or "high," is an area where the atmospheric pressure is greater than that of the surrounding area. In some places highs are referred to as anticyclones. These move clockwise in the northern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the southern due to the Coriolis Effect.

High pressure areas are normally caused by a phenomenon called subsidence, meaning that as the air in the high cools it becomes denser and moves toward the ground. Pressure increases here because more air fills the space left from the low. Subsidence also evaporates most of the atmosphere's water vapour so high pressure systems are usually associated with clear skies and calm weather.

Unlike areas of low pressure, the absence of clouds means that areas prone to high pressure experience extremes in diurnal and seasonal temperatures since there are no clouds to block incoming solar radiation or trap outgoing longwave radiation at night. Thus such areas have higher high temperatures and lower lows.

Andrew K Fletcher said...

The same density flow and return I have been working on in body and plant fluids also applies to gas density changes, in other words, we cannot have a downward flow without this generating a return flow! A high pressure in one area will cause a low pressure in another and visa-versa. A visible and often fascinating atmospheric flow and return system is the tornado, everyone focuses on the upward flowing tunnel but there is a downward flow that is thought to be the cause of Tornadoes. Some time ago I posted photographs of a plastic bottle with tightly fitted lid on a flight, this showed the bottle expanding at altitude where air pressure was reduced and crumpling at low altitude where air pressure increased. If we consider these same effects on veins and arteries it is not difficult to understand why there is an increase in ruptured abdominal aortic aneurysm (RAAA). Reduce the external atmospheric pressure and the fluid pressure that is pushing the artery wall out will unfortunately find the weakest point where it is present and rupture.

But what is happening to the shape of the veins throughout the body where no rupture occurs? This is the question that requires answering, could this be the cause of CCSVI?

My interest in all of this is about evaporation rate changes due to climatic conditions and how this, like the changes in density of the atmosphere, changes in the density of capillary blood leaving the lungs. Increase the rate of evaporation from the lungs and alter the position of the body so that it slopes down from head to toe and there should be some identifiable changes. When Pauline Phelps reported that her dropped foot problem was not present in the mornings where she used a dehumidifier along with IBT and was present when she just used IBT was a eureka moment. This proved beyond a shadow of doubt that the flow and return system was in operation in all of us! When varicose veins went back to normal looking veins in 4 weeks of avoiding a flat bed was another and when my wife and I confirmed that the density of urine increased when sleeping inclined over and above flat bed rest and that sleeping head down produced near water density urine, the body of supporting evidence ruled out any chance of coincidence.

Makes one think about the HBO therapy used for pwms?


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Strategic Importance of Jugular Vein Dilatation Otherwise Known as ‘Liberation Therapy’
The Combination Therapy includes neck vein dilatation based on the findings of Zamboni, et al. The vein dilatation or venoplasty therapy provides the appropriate drainage of the CNS that prevents a retrograde pressure exertion on the myelin sheath covering the CNS. Whatever triggers the autoimmune system to turn on in people predisposed to MS, this back-pressure needs to be resolved. In case after case, the typical symptoms of MS retreat in individuals where the veins are expanded and the flow pressures are equalized. Since keeping the jugular and azygous veins fully open is the key to reducing MS symptoms, it is of paramount importance to know what other post-procedure factors create enduring effect in the venous flow. For example, there is now good clinical and observational evidence to support the fact that stem cells (transplanted intravenously at the time of the venoplasty) reduce swelling, thrombin buildup, clotting and subsequent permanent intraluminal damage leading to scar tissue. As to what has already been established through clinical trials and subsequent therapeutic practice, it has been found that even in patients with severely malformed or abnormal jugular vein structure, the intravenous introduction of autologous stromal cells (MSCs) post-operatively has served to repair injury attributable to venoplastic damage and desquamation of the endothelial and subendothelial cells of the interior venous lumen (tunica intima). Peak velocity, time average velocity vein area, and flow quantification have been assessed by means of echo color Doppler at periodic intervals post-venoplasty. Significant hemodynamic improvement has been recorded at the level of the veins in the neck post-venoplasty. Moreover, this additional stem cell transplantation therapy has led to increased luminal diameter and improved patency rates demonstrating that the introduction of stem cells post-operatively significantly modifies the hemodynamics of the jugular veins more effectively than venoplasty alone.For more information please visit or you may call the toll free number at 888-468-1554 or

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